GS Red
Rank = Ryan McLuskey
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Post by GS Red on Jun 10, 2020 8:49:31 GMT
Thanks to everyone involved in producing this. Some excellent stuff I'd not come across before. Essential reading for all reds fans.
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redray
Rank = Dave Hewson
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Post by redray on Jun 10, 2020 17:26:02 GMT
This is the work of John Norman, a familiar figure to Reds travelling supporters. John occasionally posts on here as Lester Red and has put a lot of work into this project.
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Post by newkendalred on Jun 11, 2020 8:01:09 GMT
Can someone tell me what this publication is and where I can get hold of it?
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Jeff S
Rank = Lee Andrews
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Post by Jeff S on Jun 11, 2020 8:11:23 GMT
Can someone tell me what this publication is and where I can get hold of it? It's on the official web site, being issued as chapters each day. Don't know if there are plans to publish a print version - I hope so. I'm enjoying reading it.
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Post by starboy on Jun 11, 2020 8:13:20 GMT
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Post by newkendalred on Jun 11, 2020 12:17:44 GMT
Thanks for that. I've started reading it!
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Post by westworld on Jun 11, 2020 21:14:21 GMT
Good interesting stuff so far,does anyone have any idea of the exact location of the pitch used,it says schoose close so I'm assuming its around the schoose farm or ashfield area
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Post by lesterred on Jun 13, 2020 9:34:19 GMT
Yes - I hope to publish a fuller version of this research, in book form, at some stage in the future. Westworld - yes, the Schoose Close 'ground' was indeed in the area of Schoose Farm, although there is no trace of it now. I will include later a map showing the location of all of the grounds used by the club during this period. I mentioned in Chapter 4 the McLuckie who played for the club between 1887 and 1894. He was indeed an ancestor of Phil McLuckie, so gives a direct link between the early Reds and the current club. Although this player captained the side, he never received County Representative honours, as only players born in the county were allowed to play for the county team. There is also another link which involves Paul Armstrong. I will give full details of both the McLuckie and Armstrong connections in future chapters. In the meantime I hope the articles are of interest, and any feedback is appreciated. Many thanks to Steve Durham and Paul Armstrong for their assistance in getting the material on the website, and regards to all the regular away fans, especially 'Red Ray' Lord. I hope to see you all soon.
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Post by westworld on Jun 26, 2020 11:47:45 GMT
Again would like to say how much I am enjoying this feature, however it keeps throwing up more questions, I am now intrigued about who exactly were the black diamonds not a lot on line but a few players seem to have gone on to play football league ie satterthwaite,McClure chambers and hurst. Please keep up the good work our towns sporting history should never be forgotten
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Post by lesterred on Jun 26, 2020 12:30:32 GMT
Westworld - there were a number of local clubs in this era that were formed, rose to prominence, then disappeared without trace. Some amalgamated with others, some just didn't survive. For instance I could use up a whole chapter to just deal with the plethora of clubs that represented Frizzington at one time or another (Rovers, White Star, United, etc). A number of the Black Diamonds players you name actually went on to play for the Reds, and they will get a mention in future chapters. I also intend to incorporate a piece on some of the other clubs that were town rivals of Workington, such as Moss Bay and the Black Diamonds. A forthcoming chapter, which should be on the website shortly, will give the full story of the McLuckie connection.
Incidentally, Black Diamonds seem to have taken up residence on the Cricket Field after Workington had moved to their Ashfield ground, and Frizzington Rovers played at the quaintly named 'Bogholes Ground', before moving to 'Mr Bewlay's new field!'
I'm glad you're enjoying the series, and, as always, I welcome any feedback or comments.
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GS Red
Rank = Ryan McLuskey
Posts: 88
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Post by GS Red on Jul 13, 2020 12:31:00 GMT
The chapters have been a great read so far. I'm sure it will continue. LR you mentioned that this may come out in book form. I appreciate you may still be researching or writing later years, but do you have a time frame in mind for publication?
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Post by lesterred on Jul 13, 2020 15:24:11 GMT
I have a huge amount of information that won't appear on the website, Paul would kill me for clogging the site up! It is certainly my intention to put everything together in book form, including the stuff that won't be on-line. I'm hoping that I can look at next year for it being published, to coincide with the hundred years anniversary of the Reds being re-formed. My intention would be to split any profits between the Reds and research into the crippling disease that claimed the lives of both Tony Hopper and 'Burnley Bob' Atkinson.
As a bit of a taster, and in response to Westworld's comments about the Black Diamonds club - they were nicknamed 'The Pinks', because their colours were Pink and Black. In September 1901 they moved their home ground to the Old Band Contest Field at the bottom of Lowca Lane. You got to it by walking down the lane between the allotments and Field House. They later added an additional entrance on Queen Street. It took me some time, but can you put an X as to where this is on a modern day map?
As always any comments or feedback re the articles are gratefully received.
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Post by robbrown on Jul 13, 2020 15:32:55 GMT
I'd certainly buy the book. Hope that can be made a reality soon.
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redray
Rank = Dave Hewson
Posts: 253
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Post by redray on Jul 13, 2020 16:57:44 GMT
Certainly a great read John and I know Bob would have enjoyed it, especially the many early 20th Century links between Reds and Burnley. I look forward to the book and can supply photos of the players with Burnley connections should you require them.
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Post by lesterred on Jul 25, 2020 13:13:24 GMT
The final two chapters of 'The Original Reds' are now available to read on the official website. It's been hard work, but I hope some of you have enjoyed reading it. Just to repeat, I hope to get a fuller version of all of this research printed, in book form, at some stage next year, finances permitting!! All proceeds will be split between the club and the Motor Neurone Disease Association. To this end, if anybody has any relevant photographs of the club during this period I would be delighted to hear from them.
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