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Post by cumberlandsausage on Feb 3, 2020 8:04:09 GMT
Who are you calling an idiot The people who voted against playing games at Derwent Park
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Post by rockerlad on Feb 3, 2020 9:17:56 GMT
the right call IMO.
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Post by cumberlandsausage on Feb 3, 2020 10:20:53 GMT
Danny Grainger was apparently very happy to play there as he wanted to play on the new pitch which had a very good surface for fast passing football. However the fact that ABC did the pitch on the cheap and did not put a full drainage system in at the time means it is now prone to flooding when it never used to be.I just feel some people have different agendas and will do anything to block a new shared Stadium which is so desperately needed for the area.
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Post by rockerlad on Feb 3, 2020 12:37:44 GMT
Danny Grainger was apparently very happy to play there as he wanted to play on the new pitch which had a very good surface for fast passing football. However the fact that ABC did the pitch on the cheap and did not put a full drainage system in at the time means it is now prone to flooding when it never used to be.I just feel some people have different agendas and will do anything to block a new shared Stadium which is so desperately needed for the area. we would have had more games called off this season than played and that wouldn't have been any fault of towns. you summed it up perfectly
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Post by waterloosunset on Feb 3, 2020 15:09:22 GMT
Danny Grainger was apparently very happy to play there as he wanted to play on the new pitch which had a very good surface for fast passing football. However the fact that ABC did the pitch on the cheap and did not put a full drainage system in at the time means it is now prone to flooding when it never used to be.I just feel some people have different agendas and will do anything to block a new shared Stadium which is so desperately needed for the area. we would have had more games called off this season than played and that wouldn't have been any fault of towns. you summed it up perfectly Yes i agree with both of you
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Post by mbr on Feb 4, 2020 16:10:09 GMT
Yes I also agree. Whatever the politics of individual fans, it has to remembered that this Indept/Tory lot, in power now, opposed Workington having the new Leisure Centre. They simply do not have any ambition or vision for the town let alone Wton AFC.
The Leader lives near Carlisle. The new Deputy Leader lives in Aspatria. What do they think of Wton and it's ambition for an impressive new stadium that inspires future generations?They don't give a s... is what I'd say.
And what about those who opposed the move to Derwent Park, as you mention? They now have a revamped Borough Park back on the agenda as a joint stadium. Will not Allerdale Borough Clowncil love that? Instead of a second rate stadium they can make it an even cheaper third rate one, "appropriate" for Wton as Mrs Fitzgerald would say. And once Town move in (they'd have no choice - they sold their lease to ABC) they can do it in stages which they can spin out or even say it's not "appropriate" to find more money for.
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Post by robbrown on Feb 4, 2020 18:03:37 GMT
How much would a brand spanking new stadium with all the trimmings cost? Genuine question.
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Post by westworld on Feb 6, 2020 11:35:18 GMT
Just seen the photos on the west Cumbria independents Facebook site from the visit to Salford fc new stadium, anyone know who were the club and council representatives attending, can see less smallwood from town on one. Let's just hope we can get some movement on this before it's too late for both clubs
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Post by rockerlad on Feb 6, 2020 12:20:40 GMT
Just seen the photos on the west Cumbria independents Facebook site from the visit to Salford fc new stadium, anyone know who were the club and council representatives attending, can see less smallwood from town on one. Let's just hope we can get some movement on this before it's too late for both clubs fc united and widnes where also visited. dont know who went from reds.
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Post by mbr on Feb 7, 2020 13:01:16 GMT
Politicians like these visits; for them its a free day out (we pay for it), it makes them feel important, and its great PR. Surely though, its what they do not what they say that matters? On that score, the Indept/Tories have previous, having opposed any large investment in Workington. So why should we not be sceptical about what their actual intentions are for a new stadium?
What I'd like to see considered is a design similar to Warrington Town's new stadium (Reds played them in the NPL). It would be good enough to give pride to the town and inspire young people and future generations... it will still look good in 20 or 30 years time. Although Warrington Council is Labour controlled, the local Conservative MP backed the plan because he saw that it would not only be great for the whole community but also impress business and boost the local economy. Yet without any considered thought at all, Mrs Fitzgerald immediately claimed it was too impressive for Workington and hence it wasn't on the list of sites just visited. She's always saying how open minded she is, yet she deliberately chose not to look into the financial viability of Warrington's stadium, despite being impressed by it.
So we can already see what a low level of ambition Allerdale Clowncil have and that its a cheapskate stadium they are looking for. Or maybe its no new-build stadium at all ? They scuppered the original new stadium plan by taking away the Sellafield/NHS offices from the business plan. So, the consequence of that is they have to borrow more to pay for a new stadium. With even the prefab sheets, basic model coming in at £5 or 6 million for full undercover terracing, can you see Fitzgerald (from near Carlisle) and Johnson (from Aspatria) agreeing to that? But they can say how hard they've tried to do their best for Workington AFC (and Workington Town) by visiting all those stadiums!
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Post by cumbrianborn on Feb 7, 2020 14:34:43 GMT
With reference to Warrington Town, they currently play at 'The Winner Recruitment Stadium (Cantilever Park) in Warrington - capacity 2,500, but average home attendance is around 200. The club and the city council (Warrington has an immediate population of some 200,000) first started talking about about a potential new ground in 2012 - lots of local media attention but not much from local fans. Proposed designs had all the requisite 'bells and whistles', but it appears that the plans did not include any council or government funding. They hired Bryan Robson as 'consultant', and had a couple of high profile sponsors, including the Stobart Group. Nothing came of the plans or the club's ambitions, and everything was shelved until this year when Warrington council announced it's 20-year plan - 'Warrington Town Centre Masterplan' -"a 20-year vision to make Warrington town centre a vibrant, dynamic destination". This would include a new stadium for Warrinton Town. No indication of budget has been indicated, and both local MPs (1 Tory, 1 Labour) agree with the concept.
The key here, for Warrington, is '20-year plan'. They have a growing population base (location, location), and perhaps a new stadium, albeit to support a small fan base, can likely be implemented within the overall budget, but not on a stand-alone basis. It is also to be noted that Warrington also has a 15,000 stadium for the local Rugby League team - the Warrington Wolves. Located some 3 miles away from Cantilever Park, the ground was previously used as the home field for Liverpool Reserves, and has also hosted Women's internationals. If Warrington Town believe that they need a bigger, better ground, then why not consider a ground share?
In other words, I fail to see any evidence that Warrington Town could be considered as a model for Workington Reds ambitions.
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